There is a website on which I am a member. It is mostly a site for photography enthusiasts, but as part of it, there are message boards integrated. It is typically a pretty friendly, benign place, but, at times, it explodes into random flame wars. The past few days have played host to a particularly amusing one. The text of which (along with some explanations) are below:
For ease of reading, my statements that are added after the fact are in red.
A picture was posted by "eddo" that spurred a spirited discussion about the current military festivities in Haifa(sp?). There are tons of messages that come prior to the start of this, but most are unimportant. The thread starts here with "pthreads" alluding to some past event in which "eddo" apparently cited a thesis paper his brother wrote, but never provided the text of said paper.lmao. maybe eddo's brother wrote another non-existant paper on it. » pthreads
i thought you were an emt? what do you do? » eddo
Seriously, I'd be very intrested to see the apper that refutes what all other historians are saying, that Palestinians are not recent immigrants. » pthreads
I pulled this link, because it indicates the site this was culled from, and it's unreachable unless you're a member anyway.
and i cannot give you his name because he works with the US gov't. do you want a knock at your door? i can arrange one if you'd like. » eddo
they want what they can't have ONLY because the jews have always been their enemy.
historians? you mean your flop finkelstein! ha... you're so typical to continue bringing this guy up... » eddo
yes, I'd like the knock at the door thanks. Calling bullshit on this one. » pthreads
I called bullshit on your assertion that palestinians are recent immigrants. You busted out your brothers work as proof. I asked to see where this so called paper was. It never materialized. That gives me the right to call bullshit, it's not arbitrary like with you. » pthreads
people in "sensitive" govt. positions publish quite frequently, that really shouldn't be stopping him from providing the paper. » root
>>people in "sensitive" govt. positions publish quite frequently,that really shouldn't be stopping him from providing the paper.
we're not talking about the white house or an fbio desk clerk.. get my drift.
i'm sure he used a pen name and will see if he wants to use it, here.
>>I'll back up anything I say with a reference as far as your references go, they have been very one sided. i have posted both sides of the spectrum and you still call me bulshit... i will not post a linmk with you because it's just not worth it...
your credentials: are you a professor? or do you mop floors at a university? » eddo
I don't care what his real name was, hell, I don't care if he's really your brother. Show me something, anything that says the palestinians are recent immigrants. » pthreads
"We're not talking about the white house or an fbio desk clerk.. get my drift. i'm sure he used a pen name and will see if he wants to use it, here."
Hold on... hold on.... I'm trying to get the tears of laughter to subside so I can write this...
Alright, I think I'm okay. So what you're saying, Eddo, is that your secret agent brother wrote a top secret masters thesis that is the only source of true knowledge about the recent immigration of palestinians?
Okay, sorry, that was immature. Your brother probably is a super secret agent. And he probably did write just such a paper. How about THIS then, how about you throw us the name of one or two of his citations?
You know, we don't need his paper, just where he got HIS super secret facts.
Oh, and we'll probably need his secret-sqirrel decoder ring to read the information when we get it.
ROFL... *secret... agent man... secret.... agent man"
Although, why couldn't eddo just present some of the facts/references of the paper (if it's a masters degree - that's what it is - a collection and analysis of other peoples work) and provide those? No need for names. » root
therefore, in my good judgement, providing a paper by my brother or anyone, will be useless. my brother does work for the US gov't and has expressed he does not wnat his name on his work or referenced anywhere. i could, in theory post his references, but I will not sit here and be mocked (not contructively critisized) by a so-called permanent "william hunting" student of acedemia who moonlites as an ambulance driver. i have asked on numerous occasions to "argue" off-line with pthreads and chev thru email, but they'd rather do it here where they have a soapbox.
On one occasion, when chev and i were arguing the validity of his family's heritage/history on/in the israeli land he said he had direct proof from a book that could be found in any middle east section of a library like the New York Public Library. Did he ever send me this reference? no he did not. why? probably because the book does not exist.
jer is a new maxxer and is probably a decent guy, but has charged at me like a bull (now he'll parade around saying i think he's trolling me) since i started posting these photos. he has jumped on the bandwagon...great.
Regardless of links or references (which in most cases never help a photo, i.e. newspapers use stock photos as filler all the time, i used to work at the NYT and this was practiced, they're relevant to the article, but not "real-time" photographs). Any photo i have posted here in israels favor is always propaganda. most of the photos that i have posted here, like the *argricultural* photos that show palestinians cultivating their land is truth (only if it shows them in a good light). i really do not care either way.
but the manner in which i have been critisized has not been on any sort of expert or professional level. so, in turn, i retort with sarcasm that they feel is a direct attack on their intelligence.
so be it. continue the mockery. » eddo
Nice try. » jer_
My only problems with "you" involve the posting of TONS of pics in a row when you do post, and your whining when you get tibbed.
Both are matters of personal preference (mine) and therefore, are virtually inarguable. When I get bored with your posts, I start tibbing, because, per the faq, they are something I "don't want to see anymore". I also tig pics that I enjoy and ignore the others. I do not tib often.
As far as the "coming at you like a bull", I have participated in several (spirited) discussions in which you were a part (and several more in which you were not a part) and I don't think you received worse or better treatment than anyone else that argues in such an absurd and illogical manner. Suck it up. My rhetorical style does not invalidate my points, such as they are. You made a wildly ridiculous claim that you know is indefensible and inattackable inherently, and therefore, were offended when I pointed out how stupid it sounds. Yes, you COULD be telling the truth. My mother COULD be the Queen of England, too. Both are similarly likely.
Oh, and, as the people here who know me irl can attest, I'm most certainly NOT a nice guy. :) » jer_
>>I mock anyone who makes up secret agent family members and illusory documentation.
yeah i'/m making it up. i never said he was a secret agent, that's your delusional mind creating truth for yourself. that's ok. but don't presume. if i could that up with something like a link i would, alas i cannot. whetehr you believe me or not does not concern me, but it would be best in your interests if you don't presume i'm lying, you sound like a fool.
the only tib i bitched about as of recent was sporkys tib on ONE of my posts. teh last time that happened was last year when a lys was just being a dick to be a dick... stop making shit up to make yourself sound like you're in the clear... i stated what i stated as fact and stuck with it. » eddo
I do not envy your children, the idiots they must be. » eddo
:) » jer_
root, israel has lebanese priosners... » CheValierXP
root, israel has lebanese priosners... » CheValierXP
what are they waiting for?
(assumed response) They can't take on israel.
(my response to assumed response) then I guess the more powerful army wins. » root
There is literally *zero* chance this is true. While people in Washington do publish under psudeonyms occasionally, it isn't AT A UNIVERSITY. No University would allow him to do that, least of which MIT. You can't get a masters under a psuedonym.
Thank you, come again. » pthreads
>>While people in Washington do publish under psudeonyms occasionally, it isn't AT A UNIVERSITY. No University would allow him to do that, least of which MIT. You can't get a masters under a psuedonym.
thanks you just made my point more valid. here hold my hand i will walk you thru it:
1. *While people in Washington do publish under psudeonyms occasionally... *, occasionally being key word.
2. *No University would allow him to do that, least of which MIT.* he published under his real name at the university b4 the job (stands the reason i will not give you his name).
3. *least of which MIT.* After graduating he got the job 9 months later and now uses his psuedonym. hmmm... you can call me whatever you want. my arguments with you and chev stay here, i really don't any of this name calling bs much thought outside of here. » eddo
Xxxxx Xxxxxx firstname.lastname@example.org
And if he published it under his real name, the one that he now has the job under, then they already know what it is all about. They didn't bother to ask him what he got his masters in? eddo, you are so full of shit man. There is no way this story is true. » pthreads
now you're just making an ass of youself? "whos is this they you're talking about?" the gov't? this convo shows how little you do know about privacy and the freedom of information act. good luck with that ignorance...
ok to you i'm full of shit. you know what that means? nothing? why? because you're nothing. you're a little bullshit student who works fulltime. wow... kudos to your skills big guns... kudos » eddo
* Eddo makes unsubstantiated claims about migration. Someone calls bullshit.
* Eddo cites his brother's masters thesis as a well researched source for his claims
* Someone calls bullshit and asks for a reference
* Eddo claims his brother is a super secret agent, then concocts some zany hijinx including a series of psuedonyms, a russian hooker, two bottles of scotch, a tuxedo and three penguins that is supposed to explain why he can't give a reference to his brother's "masterwork"
* Someone calls bullshit and asks for some of his brother's bibliographic citations then
* Eddo ignores this request, instead focusing on the accusations that his brother is NOT a super secret agent
* Machinations behind the scenes are set in motion to have the naysayers killed by a super secret government agency. Secret Squirrel and James Bond are deployed.
* Someone points out that Eddo is full of shit, and reiterates request for SOME form of evidence
* Eddo indicates that even IF he posts evidence, no one will believe him anyways, thereby negating the need for evidence to start with.
* Plato rolls in his grave at the hideous deformation of rhetorical logic employed by Eddo... planets are shaken by the irony
* James Bond and Secret Squirrel were given the wrong address, because the pseudonyminous "brother" can't betray his position by using Google Maps. After offing a slew of school children, they are given a new address for Chev, Jer_, Pthreads, and any other naysayers involved.
* Little did they know, Jer_ is *ALSO* a super secret agent, and his brother did a master's thesis on how to avoid being killed by super secret agents... thereby making him invincible
* Someone else points out Eddo's bullshit and requests information of ANY sort related to this alleged source of arcane knowledge written by Eddo's brother.
* Eddo mocks the requestor, subtly defusing the situation through employment of wit and intelligent rhetorical devices
(Okay, I made the last item up... Eddo isn't that bright, my bad)
That sound about right? » jer_
Umm... how about instead of name calling, false rhetoric, or whatever other bullshit you have handy, you do one of two things:
A) Give bibliographic references from this alleged paper (which would in no way give away your brother's presence)
B) Admit you lied, and lied poorly, so we can move on with a minimum of ROFL-itude » jer_
and mocking me isn't the same? go fuck yourself you two-bit half educated asshole. » eddo
Mocking you is *NOT* the same, actually. I'm not the one making the ridiculous claims that Secret Squirrel is my brother, Morocco Mole is my father, and there are top secret, Davinci Code style documents produced in secret by my family that will blow the lid off this Palestine thing.
The burden of proof is on you... but... much like a politician, you opt to grandstand and make a big show of anything BUT the part where you can't back up your silly claims.
Just realize, while I'm off fucking myself and fondling my children and such, that we SEE that you're avoiding a real response to the topic, and we KNOW you're full of shit, and it's FUNNY.
It stopped being mockery when you decided to start mocking your own position. Now it's just sad and amusing in a "look at Chevy Chase's career pratfall again" sorta way. » jer_
what do you know about a thesis anyway? You clearly never wrote one. » eddo
Still avoiding, eh? » jer_
Evidence? Got some? » jer_
/unsub » eddo
Don't get all pissy just cause you lied. It's okay, it happens on the internet every day. Some undereducated chode like yourself makes some grand claim that he can't back, gets called on it, and refuses to back up his statement. It's all good. :)
What I find amusing is, you could make all of us that have pointed out your idiocy look stupid with just ONE link... ONE citation; but you're unable to do so. Instead, you commit yourself to personal attacks. I have the easy side of the argument, all I have to do is point out that you have consistantly failed to meet the requirements for the burden of proof under which you currently rest. I have no burden of proof, as you can't prove a negative.
Or, in common parlance: Liar, liar, pants on fire... » jer_